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	<title>Comments on: Damn Youhoo, flickr!!</title>
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		<title>By: <![CDATA[ubuntuguy]]></title>
		<link>http://blog.kosso.co.uk/2007/01/31/damn-youhoo-flickr/comment-page-1/#comment-1837</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ubuntuguy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Mar 2007 16:30:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>its surprising that they&#039;re doing this to flickr pro users.
anyways - i&#039;m off to 23hq.com and zooomr</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>its surprising that they&#8217;re doing this to flickr pro users.<br />
anyways &#8211; i&#8217;m off to 23hq.com and zooomr</p>
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		<title>By: <![CDATA[Michelle]]></title>
		<link>http://blog.kosso.co.uk/2007/01/31/damn-youhoo-flickr/comment-page-1/#comment-1838</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michelle]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Feb 2007 04:36:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It certainly sucks that you have to convert your old-skool account over to a yahoo account, especially when you&#039;re a paying for your Flickr account.Its surprising that they are doing this to Flickr users (Pro) who pay for the service. I guess it comes down to the cost of pleasing pro old skool users (probably smaller than you think) versus pleasing the big giant partner called yahoo. Unfortunately, the loyalty of old skool users isn&#039;t factored into the equation. Before Yahoo was in the picture, it was Flickr old skool users that made the site popular &amp; brought it to the attention of Yahoo. The least Flickr could do is respect the wishes of such loyal users to keep their account info separate from Yahoo.

Even though this doesn&#039;t influence me (not an old skool user), I empathize with having your trust broken as a paying loyal customer. As a pro user, you are not paying money for changes in account information &amp; a forced sign up with Yahoo. You&#039;re right once that kind of trust is broken, it makes it easier for people to consider trying out alternative photo sharing sites that actually listen to its users or consider generating user directed clone like services. In addition to the forced Yahoo registration, Flickr has also recently introduced limits on contacts, tags, and group postings which provide more reasons for Flickr pro users to consider alternative clone Flickr services that have no such limits. If Flickr can force its pro users to register for Yahoo accounts and enforce limits on various services, then what is going to stop them from fulfilling Yahoo&#039;s demand to add annoying yahoo ads into Flickr pro accounts too.

It is blatently clear that Flickr is not taking advantage of this niche market of  Flickr pro users by satisfying their needs &amp; this will probably be a major loss for Flickr in the long run if the competition decides to swoop into this market.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It certainly sucks that you have to convert your old-skool account over to a yahoo account, especially when you&#8217;re a paying for your Flickr account.Its surprising that they are doing this to Flickr users (Pro) who pay for the service. I guess it comes down to the cost of pleasing pro old skool users (probably smaller than you think) versus pleasing the big giant partner called yahoo. Unfortunately, the loyalty of old skool users isn&#8217;t factored into the equation. Before Yahoo was in the picture, it was Flickr old skool users that made the site popular &amp; brought it to the attention of Yahoo. The least Flickr could do is respect the wishes of such loyal users to keep their account info separate from Yahoo.</p>
<p>Even though this doesn&#8217;t influence me (not an old skool user), I empathize with having your trust broken as a paying loyal customer. As a pro user, you are not paying money for changes in account information &amp; a forced sign up with Yahoo. You&#8217;re right once that kind of trust is broken, it makes it easier for people to consider trying out alternative photo sharing sites that actually listen to its users or consider generating user directed clone like services. In addition to the forced Yahoo registration, Flickr has also recently introduced limits on contacts, tags, and group postings which provide more reasons for Flickr pro users to consider alternative clone Flickr services that have no such limits. If Flickr can force its pro users to register for Yahoo accounts and enforce limits on various services, then what is going to stop them from fulfilling Yahoo&#8217;s demand to add annoying yahoo ads into Flickr pro accounts too.</p>
<p>It is blatently clear that Flickr is not taking advantage of this niche market of  Flickr pro users by satisfying their needs &amp; this will probably be a major loss for Flickr in the long run if the competition decides to swoop into this market.</p>
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		<title>By: <![CDATA[Yahooflickr! Ruckus! &#171; kosso&#8217;s braingarden]]></title>
		<link>http://blog.kosso.co.uk/2007/01/31/damn-youhoo-flickr/comment-page-1/#comment-1832</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Yahooflickr! Ruckus! &#171; kosso&#8217;s braingarden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Feb 2007 06:25:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...]   Published February 2nd, 2007   Yahoo! , flickr , love , passion , users , ruckus , animosity      John M asks :&#8221;I’m totally confused by the animosity here. Like Chris, I can’t see that it makes any [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...]   Published February 2nd, 2007   Yahoo! , flickr , love , passion , users , ruckus , animosity      John M asks :&#8221;I’m totally confused by the animosity here. Like Chris, I can’t see that it makes any [...]</p>
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		<title>By: <![CDATA[kosso]]></title>
		<link>http://blog.kosso.co.uk/2007/01/31/damn-youhoo-flickr/comment-page-1/#comment-1831</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[kosso]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Feb 2007 00:50:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>See here :)

http://kosso.wordpress.com/2007/02/02/yahooflickr-ruccus/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See here <img src='http://blog.kosso.co.uk/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p><a href="http://kosso.wordpress.com/2007/02/02/yahooflickr-ruccus/" rel="nofollow">http://kosso.wordpress.com/2007/02/02/yahooflickr-ruccus/</a></p>
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		<title>By: <![CDATA[John M]]></title>
		<link>http://blog.kosso.co.uk/2007/01/31/damn-youhoo-flickr/comment-page-1/#comment-1833</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John M]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Feb 2007 22:13:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m totally confused by the animosity here. Like Chris, I can&#039;t see that it makes any material difference whatesoever. What gives kosso?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m totally confused by the animosity here. Like Chris, I can&#8217;t see that it makes any material difference whatesoever. What gives kosso?</p>
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		<title>By: <![CDATA[Christian Burns]]></title>
		<link>http://blog.kosso.co.uk/2007/01/31/damn-youhoo-flickr/comment-page-1/#comment-1839</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Christian Burns]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Feb 2007 06:53:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If yahoo would just embrace openID this would not be an issue. There are NO good usernames left for yahoo. My email address should be able to work as a login for Any Service on the net. Yahoo no longer has mojo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If yahoo would just embrace openID this would not be an issue. There are NO good usernames left for yahoo. My email address should be able to work as a login for Any Service on the net. Yahoo no longer has mojo.</p>
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		<title>By: <![CDATA[stuart @ amanzi &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Flickr forcing users to change their ways]]></title>
		<link>http://blog.kosso.co.uk/2007/01/31/damn-youhoo-flickr/comment-page-1/#comment-1836</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[stuart @ amanzi &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Flickr forcing users to change their ways]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Jan 2007 19:41:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] won&#8217;t be able to log in. Lots of Flickr users (including me) are not happy with this and the blogosphere is making this known (also the mainstream news sites like BBC.) Yahoo! are also forcing a couple of other limits on [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] won&#8217;t be able to log in. Lots of Flickr users (including me) are not happy with this and the blogosphere is making this known (also the mainstream news sites like BBC.) Yahoo! are also forcing a couple of other limits on [...]</p>
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		<title>By: <![CDATA[flickrville]]></title>
		<link>http://blog.kosso.co.uk/2007/01/31/damn-youhoo-flickr/comment-page-1/#comment-1835</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[flickrville]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Jan 2007 19:17:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s saf that this has happened..but like Chris said..it was always bound to happen and it&#039;s today.

I guess some flickr clones out there will start making some money now :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s saf that this has happened..but like Chris said..it was always bound to happen and it&#8217;s today.</p>
<p>I guess some flickr clones out there will start making some money now <img src='http://blog.kosso.co.uk/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: <![CDATA[Chris Kelly]]></title>
		<link>http://blog.kosso.co.uk/2007/01/31/damn-youhoo-flickr/comment-page-1/#comment-1834</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chris Kelly]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Jan 2007 16:52:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m reading all the posts about people going ballistic, and I guess I get it on the &quot;It&#039;s the principle of it, dammit&quot; level, but Flickr has been a part of Yahoo! for over a year now, and everyone has known this was coming.

You&#039;re going to spend the time and energy exporting hundreds, potentially thousands of pictures, moving and uploading them somewhere else (most likely creating a new login elsewhere), and helping to create a Flickr clone because the login system has changed?

Furthermore, I don&#039;t get why this is that big of an issue. I&#039;m sure it&#039;s a logistical pain in the ass for the Flickr folks to manage two login systems, especially when if they switch to the Yahoo! one, they&#039;ll likely not have to manage the details of it in the future (it&#039;s a single sign on system that&#039;s likely managed by a different group), leaving them more time to focus on the core photo management and community features.

Aside from replacing your email address and password with your Yahoo username and password (which you&#039;ve mentioned *you already have*), nothing else is going to change. All your URLs are the same, you can use whatever email address you want (you set it in your Yahoo! account settings). If anything, you&#039;ve now reduced your overall number of internet logins by one, or at the worst case for many users, they&#039;ve had a net gain of internet accounts of ZERO (new Yahoo! account, loss of a Flickr login). And what ads are you talking about? I&#039;m a Flickr Pro member with a Yahoo! login and don&#039;t recall seeing any ads anywhere...

Color me confused as to why this is such a huge issue (aside from the aforementioned &quot;Principle&quot;)...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m reading all the posts about people going ballistic, and I guess I get it on the &#8220;It&#8217;s the principle of it, dammit&#8221; level, but Flickr has been a part of Yahoo! for over a year now, and everyone has known this was coming.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re going to spend the time and energy exporting hundreds, potentially thousands of pictures, moving and uploading them somewhere else (most likely creating a new login elsewhere), and helping to create a Flickr clone because the login system has changed?</p>
<p>Furthermore, I don&#8217;t get why this is that big of an issue. I&#8217;m sure it&#8217;s a logistical pain in the ass for the Flickr folks to manage two login systems, especially when if they switch to the Yahoo! one, they&#8217;ll likely not have to manage the details of it in the future (it&#8217;s a single sign on system that&#8217;s likely managed by a different group), leaving them more time to focus on the core photo management and community features.</p>
<p>Aside from replacing your email address and password with your Yahoo username and password (which you&#8217;ve mentioned *you already have*), nothing else is going to change. All your URLs are the same, you can use whatever email address you want (you set it in your Yahoo! account settings). If anything, you&#8217;ve now reduced your overall number of internet logins by one, or at the worst case for many users, they&#8217;ve had a net gain of internet accounts of ZERO (new Yahoo! account, loss of a Flickr login). And what ads are you talking about? I&#8217;m a Flickr Pro member with a Yahoo! login and don&#8217;t recall seeing any ads anywhere&#8230;</p>
<p>Color me confused as to why this is such a huge issue (aside from the aforementioned &#8220;Principle&#8221;)&#8230;</p>
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